tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post81736702338878404..comments2024-03-13T11:12:39.070-04:00Comments on deagol's AAPL model: Fiscal 3Q 2012 Final EstimatesDaniel Tellohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18356162909901960817noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-27062606365911600612012-07-14T09:35:31.495-04:302012-07-14T09:35:31.495-04:30Rumor sites are reporting Aug 7 as iPhone 5 launch...Rumor sites are reporting Aug 7 as iPhone 5 launch date. How do u think this would affect your numbers? I guess not too many will be buying the 4s now.selva11https://www.blogger.com/profile/12612389436174096494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-20286938622650800222012-07-11T04:21:27.256-04:302012-07-11T04:21:27.256-04:30Yes I'm assuming cash flow directly from earni...Yes I'm assuming cash flow directly from earnings even though it's historically higher for Apple. Also deduct about $3b for buybacks. So the $68 EPS times 948 shares is $64.4b, less $10.7b for divs and $3b for buybacks leaves $50.7b to cash, divided into 948 shares results in $53 increase in cash per share.Daniel Tellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18356162909901960817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-175194605998940652012-07-10T23:07:51.285-04:302012-07-10T23:07:51.285-04:30aren't your june'13 cash assumptions a bit...aren't your june'13 cash assumptions a bit conservative (about 13b/q increase)?. If earnings increase from 45 to 68 (about 50%), current cash is about 14b/Q, and dividends starting now should account for about 2.5 b/q, cashflow wouldn't leave a higher number than those 13b/Q of your estimates?<br /><br />Great work! Thanks a lot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-57873192719468091312012-07-10T16:22:33.623-04:302012-07-10T16:22:33.623-04:30Thanks, Daniel. I always enjoy reading your analys...Thanks, Daniel. I always enjoy reading your analysis. I'm feeling like Apple's move to drop eco-certification for future products could have a bigger impact than they think. I'm betting there will be a reversal of this decision. Also, Apple seriously needs more stores open in China. The impostor stores are having a very negative, even if unfair, impact on the Apple product line.JavaJackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263943961526019485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-87767771417508418812012-07-09T08:39:46.122-04:302012-07-09T08:39:46.122-04:30I consider the "trailing" metric relevan...I consider the "trailing" metric relevant for the past 3 to next 3 months. If the EPS projections come through, I'd see the "fair value" metric as relevant for roughly the next 3 to 9 months, and the "1yr target" metric relevant for roughly the next 12-18 months. Of course this is all my own subjective/empirical sense.Daniel Tellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18356162909901960817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-34167709158993312532012-07-09T04:37:22.134-04:302012-07-09T04:37:22.134-04:30Daniel, thanks for your work. Am I reading this co...Daniel, thanks for your work. Am I reading this correctly that you are projecting a share price between 1145-1214 in June 2013? (Or are you projecting it in June 2014?) The former seems to be the case, but the latter makes more sense to me.Oaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-91757568827476463212012-07-09T00:16:29.305-04:302012-07-09T00:16:29.305-04:30"Your Sep 2013 target assuming a Sep 2012 iph..."Your Sep 2013 target assuming a Sep 2012 iphone launch is lower than your Oct 2012 iphone launch Sep 2013 target."<br /><br />Yes, Sep launch shifts roughly 6m units from 1Q2013 to 4Q2012.<br /><br />"You have the rev going up for the Sept launch (3 mo), wouldn't this carry forward to the 12 month?"<br /><br />No. The 12-month (ending in Sep2013) doesn't include the period that's getting the increase (4Q2012), but it does include the period getting taken from (1Q2013).Daniel Tellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18356162909901960817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-13557137722755906962012-07-08T22:32:30.965-04:302012-07-08T22:32:30.965-04:30Daniel, It just seems odd that the (3 mo) and (12 ...Daniel, It just seems odd that the (3 mo) and (12 mo) don't align the same. You have the rev going up for the Sept launch (3 mo), wouldn't this carry forward to the 12 month?mbeauchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-41181053210613918742012-07-08T19:06:16.872-04:302012-07-08T19:06:16.872-04:30Im a little confused by your Sep 2013 full year ta...Im a little confused by your Sep 2013 full year target. <br /><br />Your Sep 2013 target assuming a Sep 2012 iphone launch is lower than your Oct 2012 iphone launch Sep 2013 target.<br /><br />If the next iPhone 2012 model launches in Sep this year, then I would think your Sep 2013 estimate would also assume a Sep launch in 2013 for the iPhone 2013 model?KirkBurgessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-86248627067179825442012-07-08T13:18:12.276-04:302012-07-08T13:18:12.276-04:30Thank you for the response, much appreciated.Thank you for the response, much appreciated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-27235004645079543162012-07-08T13:13:18.268-04:302012-07-08T13:13:18.268-04:30Red Oak, I shared a lot of my longest term thought...Red Oak, I shared a lot of my longest term thoughts in the Limit to Growth series, especially part 3.<br /><br />Unknown, in the past Apple has tended to launch near the end of a quarter. I have no privileged information suggesting either month, but it does make the transition less painful, at least from a modeling and financial consistency point of view since it avoids the bumpy trending difficulties seen last year.<br /><br />Anon, as shown in the guidance table my estimated "sandbagged" EPS assuming an October launch is $8.65 ($12.34 without sandbagging). This is based on 22m iPads sold. I doubt they can achieve near 30m iPads even with the help of mainland China to allow them to guide up to $9.80.Daniel Tellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18356162909901960817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-63866439439473735462012-07-08T12:17:17.369-04:302012-07-08T12:17:17.369-04:30Thank you for the impressive work.
I have one que...Thank you for the impressive work.<br /><br />I have one question though. I believe the new iPad will only be available start July 27th in China, could Apple guide as high as 9.8 without a late September launch of the next iPhone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-4322681433116955732012-07-08T11:24:06.075-04:302012-07-08T11:24:06.075-04:30I'm puzzled by including the possibility of a ...I'm puzzled by including the possibility of a Sept '12 iPhone launch as everything I've been reading seems to point to October.Mile Oliverahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10614619479036464946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-82859268819176660102012-07-08T09:33:47.968-04:302012-07-08T09:33:47.968-04:30Thank you Daniel. I love your posts, especially t...Thank you Daniel. I love your posts, especially the deep categories dive you did. That was awesome stuff. <br /><br />It looks like you took your projections up a bit from your post from last quarter <br /><br />I think the replacement timing is going to be the key data point to zero in over the next few quarters. I know you assume 2 years for iPad and iPhone. I think there is a reasonable possibility of it extending to 2.5 or even 3.0 years over time, based on my own anecdotal observations. Especially for the iPad which has no subsidy incentive <br /><br />That said, as I look at the market with a five year horizon, I continued to be optimistic at the size of the opportunities and how small Apple's share is. Even with PCs - huge upside for Apple if they can figure out how to get to 20% unit share<br /><br />Any thoughts on a longer term view of Apple, say 3 to 5 years? Assuming Apple can continue to execute in a similar fashion and there is no big, disruptive change (I know, a very big if), where do you see it going? <br /><br />Thanks!Red Oaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-22081939891784155132012-07-08T09:21:19.103-04:302012-07-08T09:21:19.103-04:30Mark, could you please elaborate a bit more on wha...Mark, could you please elaborate a bit more on what's bugging you? Thanks, and sorry if I made it confusing.Daniel Tellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18356162909901960817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057266811973629846.post-77660077654771168032012-07-08T08:34:47.996-04:302012-07-08T08:34:47.996-04:30Daniel, you have me really scratching my head on t...Daniel, you have me really scratching my head on the 3 month ending and 12 month ending, one does not seem to correlate with the other? Could be just me not understanding you thought going forward. Great analysis as usual.mbeauchnoreply@blogger.com